I had a Schnozz tour in 1991 ... His office was jam packed of souvenirs / gifts from folk who had visited previously, a top bloke ...
On 3 November 2013 22:14, Bob Yates <phxspotter2@earthlink.net> wrote:
My favorite Schnozz story probably took place sometime around 1989 but I don't remember the date specifically. Several of us, from both Phoenix and Tucson, met at MZJ. Schnozz took some in his truck and the rest rode with me (1977 El Camino) across the runway. He was unable to stay with us for some reason but said shoot what you'd like and have fun. We spent at least an hour or two roaming up and down the parked planes in the storage area. Then, following Schnozz's instructions, everybody piled into my truck. I drove to one of the taxiway intersections and waited for a green light from the tower (which actually came before I got all the way into the intersection--there was nothing going on) and then drove across the runway. It's the only time I ever actually drove on an airport's operating area.Another instance came during a convention in Phoenix (either the '95 A-I or one of the local ones), which included a tour at MZJ. Due to a misunderstanding, our coach driver, who was supposed to remain with us during the lunch break and then drive us to the ramp to continue our tour, left to eat elsewhere, leaving us high and dry. Schnozz got on his phone and made one call and in a very short time a (rather antiquated) school-type bus from one of the operations on the field arrived to deliver us to the ramp.I have never talked to anyone who met or otherwise dealt with Schnozz that didn't like him and mourn, first his retirement and then his passing. One friend, a professional photographer, said any number of times that he was the only one on the staff of that airport who actually knew how to deal with people.Take care, all.Bob----- Original Message -----From: Paul LoobySent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 2:10 PMSubject: Re: [cactuswings 2611] MaranaPaulLong live Schnooz's memory, great access in those days.After that he gave us an excellent tour in his people carrier, and took one of our windy colleagues to look for rattle snakes under the shade of the Aircraft.It continued,"I asked at the gate for Schnooz and he arrived, he refused me permission then took off his shoe to ring boss to confirm his decision".Schnooz asked us did we remember Get SmartHiWhen Schnooz gave us a tour in 1987, he should us a clip book of newspaper articles,( during a coffee break) and one was written by a journalist who was refused entry.--
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 8:56 PM, <mga707@cox.net> wrote:
Reminds me of a 'gag' shot at a slide show decades ago: A much-parted-out Eastern 727 shot at Marana to which the slide photographer quipped: "Here's the Eastern flight I was on last week".
As far as the 'boneyard' (AMARC) goes, Pima Air & Space Museum offers weekend bus tours of the facility during the cooler months of the year.
Mike
---- W Wilson <wlwjr66@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am in complete agreement. I finally visited the desert for the first
> time in 1992...MZJ. Not much was covered up then. Part of it happens
> to be with the introduction of the world wide web. With its expansion
> and the ability to post photos for all to see, the airlines became
> paranoid of their brand being displayed on "broken" airplanes for all to
> see. Hence, logos/trademarks were really never covered/removed until
> latter 90s and early 2000's. Logos of crashed airplanes through the
> years were removed because the press would share the images around the
> world.
>
> (I am sure Air Florida would have given anything to be able black out
> their logo before they raised the aircraft from the icy Potomac River as
> shown in that famous photo. It was later blacked out once stored in the
> hangar for the investigation).
>
> When the airlines move their aircraft to be retired to so-called
> "private" airports (even though they are not really private) like MZJ
> conveniently located in the protective dry air of the desert, it is
> assumed (requested?) by the airlines that they will not be exposed to
> the public. Of course the only real way to make that happen is to build
> hangars and store/destroy them indoors.
>
> Nowadays, I am sure it is also to the line of "here comes some more of
> them damn plane photographers; they are going to want me to drive them
> around...they are nothing but trouble...what a stupid hobby".
>
> On another note, In theory, the bazillion stored military aircraft at
> Davis-Monthan should be able to be freely photographed. After all, who
> still owns them?...;).
>
> Walter
> DCA
>
> On 11/3/2013 3:35 AM, Ab Gobets wrote:
> > Good morning,
> >
> > The painting out of those details was not customary when I visited
> > Marana 20 years ago. The original company names and registrations (USA
> > and foreign) are on my hundreds of photographs. Also 10 years ago at
> > Mojave only the odd plane was without names and numbers, most still
> > had them on. Painting out details after crashes however they did
> > already from the 60's which you can see on photographs in books about
> > crashes.
> > By my knowledge the airside trips at Marana ended with the passing
> > away of The Schnozz. Nobody ever mentioned secret military activities
> > at Marana and for instance the military activities at Mojave (Fllght
> > Systems and others) could freely be photographed. I made lots of
> > pictures of civil registered F4 Phantoms and other ex-military and
> > quite a number of (to be) refurbished KC135's.
> > However my reply about painted out regis to Mark mentioning 'military
> > activities' at Marana was meant sarcastic but was clearly not
> > recognized as such.
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ab.
> >
> >
> > W Wilson schreef op 3-11-2013 7:06:
> >> The "to the point" reason I got several years ago at VCV...."the
> >> airlines do not want photos taken of their aircraft".
> >> My reply..."fine, I will just take photos through the fence" as I was
> >> turning and walking out the door.
> >>
> >> There is more "government/military" at VCV than there is at MZJ, so I
> >> agree strongly or even suggest it is anything military related at MZJ.
> >> I have heard several times it's just that the airlines have
> >> supposedly passed along that they don't want images of their derelict
> >> (or "boarded-up"...i.e. stored) aircraft circulating because Joe
> >> Internet Surfer might actually believe the are still part of the
> >> operational fleet.
> >>
> >> It's more known the logos are merely covered/removed because the
> >> aircraft are no longer part of the company as they protect their
> >> integrity of their trademark. It's also a liability issue should
> >> something happen to the aircraft at the boneyard, the name is not
> >> displayed. No different than an airline attempting to cover up their
> >> logo at the accident scene.
> >>
> >> Walter
> >> DCA
> >>
> >> On 11/2/2013 5:50 PM, Matt Coleman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I like to think that I'm fairly well informed of what goes on at
> >>> MZJ, but couldn't help but notice that you've brought it up twice
> >>> without going in to any useful detail.
> >>>
> >>> What is this "military work" that you speak of?
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>>
> >>> On Nov 2, 2013 4:27 PM, <mollier1@ca.rr.com
> >>> <mailto:mollier1@ca.rr.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Registrations painted out is done at most storage facilities and
> >>> has absolutely nothing to do with the military work that goes on
> >>> at Marana
> >>>
> >>> Do not add 1 and 1 and come up with 36!
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>> ---- Ab Gobets <ab@gobets.nl <mailto:ab@gobets.nl>> wrote:
> >>> > And that would be the reason they paint out regis and owner
> >>> names? Don't
> >>> > think so myself.
> >>> > Cheers,
> >>> > Ab.
> >>> >
> >>> > mollier1@ca.rr.com <mailto:mollier1@ca.rr.com> schreef op
> >>> 1-11-2013 22:33:
> >>> > > They are not protective of the airframes they do not want
> >>> people to see the secret work for the military that is now
> >>> carried out at Marana.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Mark
> >>> > > ---- Ab Gobets <ab@gobets.nl <mailto:ab@gobets.nl>> wrote:
> >>> > >> Hi, folks,
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> I really do not understand why the people at Marana are so
> >>> protective
> >>> > >> about the airframes. It is way long ago but I once was
> >>> offered a
> >>> > >> roundtrip by the security officer, the late "Schnozz Mayer"
> >>> and could
> >>> > >> take airside pictures wherever I wanted of anything
> >>> present. Albeit it
> >>> > >> was 20 years ago and things have changed for worse. Same
> >>> with the
> >>> > >> airside roundtrips at Mojave which I was offered one about
> >>> 11 years ago.
> >>> > >> However then there were already some restrictions for
> >>> photographing some
> >>> > >> civil airframes.
> >>> > >> Get used to the fact that things will never be like in the
> >>> past.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Cheers.
> >>> > >> Ab Gobets.
> >>> > >> The Netherlands.
> >>> > >>
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