Actually I seem to recall being with someone on a tour who asked in all
seriousness whether said Eastern 727's were likely to fly in the near
future!
Tony Traynor
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Subject: Re: [cactuswings 2610] Marana
Reminds me of a 'gag' shot at a slide show decades ago: A much-parted-out
Eastern 727 shot at Marana to which the slide photographer quipped: "Here's
the Eastern flight I was on last week".
As far as the 'boneyard' (AMARC) goes, Pima Air & Space Museum offers
weekend bus tours of the facility during the cooler months of the year.
Mike
---- W Wilson <wlwjr66@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am in complete agreement. I finally visited the desert for the
> first time in 1992...MZJ. Not much was covered up then. Part of it
> happens to be with the introduction of the world wide web. With its
> expansion and the ability to post photos for all to see, the airlines
> became paranoid of their brand being displayed on "broken" airplanes
> for all to see. Hence, logos/trademarks were really never covered/removed
until
> latter 90s and early 2000's. Logos of crashed airplanes through the
> years were removed because the press would share the images around the
> world.
>
> (I am sure Air Florida would have given anything to be able black out
> their logo before they raised the aircraft from the icy Potomac River
> as shown in that famous photo. It was later blacked out once stored
> in the hangar for the investigation).
>
> When the airlines move their aircraft to be retired to so-called
> "private" airports (even though they are not really private) like MZJ
> conveniently located in the protective dry air of the desert, it is
> assumed (requested?) by the airlines that they will not be exposed to
> the public. Of course the only real way to make that happen is to
> build hangars and store/destroy them indoors.
>
> Nowadays, I am sure it is also to the line of "here comes some more of
> them damn plane photographers; they are going to want me to drive them
> around...they are nothing but trouble...what a stupid hobby".
>
> On another note, In theory, the bazillion stored military aircraft at
> Davis-Monthan should be able to be freely photographed. After all,
> who still owns them?...;).
>
> Walter
> DCA
>
> On 11/3/2013 3:35 AM, Ab Gobets wrote:
> > Good morning,
> >
> > The painting out of those details was not customary when I visited
> > Marana 20 years ago. The original company names and registrations
> > (USA and foreign) are on my hundreds of photographs. Also 10 years
> > ago at Mojave only the odd plane was without names and numbers, most
> > still had them on. Painting out details after crashes however they
> > did already from the 60's which you can see on photographs in books
> > about crashes.
> > By my knowledge the airside trips at Marana ended with the passing
> > away of The Schnozz. Nobody ever mentioned secret military
> > activities at Marana and for instance the military activities at
> > Mojave (Fllght Systems and others) could freely be photographed. I
> > made lots of pictures of civil registered F4 Phantoms and other
> > ex-military and quite a number of (to be) refurbished KC135's.
> > However my reply about painted out regis to Mark mentioning
> > 'military activities' at Marana was meant sarcastic but was clearly
> > not recognized as such.
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ab.
> >
> >
> > W Wilson schreef op 3-11-2013 7:06:
> >> The "to the point" reason I got several years ago at VCV...."the
> >> airlines do not want photos taken of their aircraft".
> >> My reply..."fine, I will just take photos through the fence" as I
> >> was turning and walking out the door.
> >>
> >> There is more "government/military" at VCV than there is at MZJ, so
> >> I agree strongly or even suggest it is anything military related at
MZJ.
> >> I have heard several times it's just that the airlines have
> >> supposedly passed along that they don't want images of their
> >> derelict (or "boarded-up"...i.e. stored) aircraft circulating
> >> because Joe Internet Surfer might actually believe the are still
> >> part of the operational fleet.
> >>
> >> It's more known the logos are merely covered/removed because the
> >> aircraft are no longer part of the company as they protect their
> >> integrity of their trademark. It's also a liability issue should
> >> something happen to the aircraft at the boneyard, the name is not
> >> displayed. No different than an airline attempting to cover up
> >> their logo at the accident scene.
> >>
> >> Walter
> >> DCA
> >>
> >> On 11/2/2013 5:50 PM, Matt Coleman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I like to think that I'm fairly well informed of what goes on at
> >>> MZJ, but couldn't help but notice that you've brought it up twice
> >>> without going in to any useful detail.
> >>>
> >>> What is this "military work" that you speak of?
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>>
> >>> On Nov 2, 2013 4:27 PM, <mollier1@ca.rr.com
> >>> <mailto:mollier1@ca.rr.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Registrations painted out is done at most storage facilities and
> >>> has absolutely nothing to do with the military work that goes on
> >>> at Marana
> >>>
> >>> Do not add 1 and 1 and come up with 36!
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>> ---- Ab Gobets <ab@gobets.nl <mailto:ab@gobets.nl>> wrote:
> >>> > And that would be the reason they paint out regis and owner
> >>> names? Don't
> >>> > think so myself.
> >>> > Cheers,
> >>> > Ab.
> >>> >
> >>> > mollier1@ca.rr.com <mailto:mollier1@ca.rr.com> schreef op
> >>> 1-11-2013 22:33:
> >>> > > They are not protective of the airframes they do not want
> >>> people to see the secret work for the military that is now
> >>> carried out at Marana.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Mark
> >>> > > ---- Ab Gobets <ab@gobets.nl <mailto:ab@gobets.nl>> wrote:
> >>> > >> Hi, folks,
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> I really do not understand why the people at Marana are so
> >>> protective
> >>> > >> about the airframes. It is way long ago but I once was
> >>> offered a
> >>> > >> roundtrip by the security officer, the late "Schnozz Mayer"
> >>> and could
> >>> > >> take airside pictures wherever I wanted of anything
> >>> present. Albeit it
> >>> > >> was 20 years ago and things have changed for worse. Same
> >>> with the
> >>> > >> airside roundtrips at Mojave which I was offered one about
> >>> 11 years ago.
> >>> > >> However then there were already some restrictions for
> >>> photographing some
> >>> > >> civil airframes.
> >>> > >> Get used to the fact that things will never be like in the
> >>> past.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Cheers.
> >>> > >> Ab Gobets.
> >>> > >> The Netherlands.
> >>> > >>
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