Saturday, 12 December 2015

Re: [cactuswings 3467] LOG : KVCV 17-11-2015

Hi Jakob, Kevin, - All,

going through various online sources with the goal to establish this conundru, then indeed my theory of no single aircraft hanging around for long seems WRONG.
(There may well be reasons, legal, safety or others that prevent an aircraft from being scrapped quickly - even if that is the desire of the owner?)

The way this particular ANA 767 is parked, the position and also the angle of the front wheel bogey goes back all the way to beginning of 2013 !

This picture shows what seems to be the exact same aircraft in the same position:

But which one is it?

The Airliners.net photo unfortunately has no exact day given.

According to my records, JA8273 arrived at VCV on 10jan2013 (ten)

This picture showing the same aircraft/position was taken on 01jan2013 (one)

All logos etc already painted out and engines and cargo doors dismantled. Not sure how quick this can be done?

One notable entry in a VCV log from 23mar15 i have is:
"JA8273         B763      ANA (no tiltes/logo/reg) – assumed from markings (also "7" visible on LHS nwd door)!

If the "7" is correct as part of the registration showing [again], that could make it any aircraft in the JA827* series.

However if the arrival date of JA8273 and the picture dates are correct, then it must be either JA8271 or JA8272 which both arrived in mid/end-2012.

Here is a picture taken from the ground of that aircraft just days after my visit

I also have two separate logs from a ramp tour 24oct13 where one quotes JA8273 as one of the two ANA 767 seen and one doesn't listing two different regs - they couldn't even agree on which ANA 767s they saw on the same date/tour!

Anyway, various sources still hang on to JA8273 and this one ought to know:
JA8273 B763
JA8288 B763
JA8290 B763
JA8291 B763
- Mark, would you be able to follow-up on source of the ID of JA8273 ?

Regards
Stefan

From: "jama@tdcadsl.dk" <jama@tdcadsl.dk>
To: cactus-wings@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [cactuswings 3460] LOG : KVCV 17-11-2015


Hi all and thanks for your efforts. It is very much appreciated.
It's both fascinating and frustrating with anomynous frames like the ANA 767s

I'm pretty sure one of the "NN" 767s is JA8273, or at least that's what it's quoted to be.
I've attached a collage of my photo and a photo from a.net dated sept 2014.
The two ANA 767 appears to be exactly identical. It's even parked at the same position.
So it must be a pre-2015 arrival.

Where the photographer got the ID from, I dont know.

I'll see if I can match something with the last one.

kind regards
Jakob




Den 12-12-2015 kl. 12:37 skrev Kevin Evans:
Thanks Stefan
 
Yes, I think you're absolutely right.
 
Unless anybody is able to physically search the airframe, I guess no one can be 100% certain as to its identity.
 
Hopefully, the true story will evolve in due course.
 
Regards
 
Kevin
 
From: cactus-wings@googlegroups.com [mailto:cactus-wings@googlegroups.com]
Sent: 12 December 2015 10:34
To: cactus-wings@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cactuswings 3458] LOG : KVCV 17-11-2015
 
Thanks Keith,
 
in that case i think we are looking at the Internet phenomenon where information is simply repeated -in good faith- from another online source. Without being able to verify that source, but by spreading the info over various sites making it appear even more credible in the process.
 
Same happened to the Hellenic Imperial B747 at Marana being mis-quoeted as "SX-TIE" which has been repeated in numerous logs and pics, and indeed that incorrect info is still out there. (It is former D-ABZE painted in a color scheme that was only worn by SX-TIE from the HIA B747 that were in service)
 
Made the same mistake myself re-using a registration of a LAN A340 stored at Marana spreading the wrong registration in the process!
 
ANA B767s
JA8256 JA8257 JA8258 JA8259 JA8271 JA8272 all arrived VCV in 2012
JA8273 JA8274 JA8275 arrived in 2013
JA8287 JA8288 arrived in 2014
JA8290 JA8291 JA8363 JA8368 in 2015
 
The list isn't probably even complete.
 
In any case i visited VCV in March 2014 and there was ONE ANA B767 present and we did see all aircraft at VCV that day.
 
It is believed to be either JA8274 or JA8275, but that is not confirmed. It *could* have been JA8273 - but i am highly sceptical they would taken a random 767 from all the arrivals and NOT scrap it in sequence, nor scrapping it swiftly - which they both did at all airports where they retired aircraft.
 
Highly, highly unlikely that JA8273 is kept to survive for almost three years by now. Though i am sure we will never really know the way the ANA B767 are concealed just day(s) after they arrive.
 
Regards
Stefan

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