Phoenix has launched a lawsuit to stop a deal between its neighbouring city of Tempe and the National Hockey League's (NHL) Arizona Coyotes which allowed the franchise to build a new arena, entertainment district and nearly 2,000 apartments.
The Coyotes' proposal, which will cost US$2.1 billion to carry out, was first proposed in September 2021. They estimate the entertainment district will generate US$13.1 billion of new spending on site, and have committed to investing US$2.1 billion in private funds for the arena project 'without raising taxes or using current city revenues by issuing public infrastructure bonds sold to private investors'. Last November Tempe officials gave initial approval for the project, with residents to vote on the decision as part of a special election on 16th May.
The agreement has now hit a stumbling block with Phoenix suing Tempe for an alleged policy violation regarding a 1994 agreement that limits how close housing can be located to the state capital's Sky Harbor International Airport. The policy aimed to save residents from unwanted loud plane noise, as well as protecting the airport from any noise-related litigation.
In a filing made in Maricopa County Superior Court, Phoenix's aviation department has now called for the initial approval of the deal to be rescinded, bringing the project to a complete halt as a result, as well as a repeal of any recent zoning and land-use changes.
'Tempe, for its part, promised to prevent new residences from being developed along much of this flight path and, more generally, on the airport's east side. Both measures have helped protect residents from aircraft noise, while also supporting the increasing demands for more flights for Arizona residents and visitors,' the lawsuit reads.
'Despite these promises, Tempe now has done exactly what it promised not to do: approve, or start to approve, more residences near the airport and in the area to which aircraft have been directed for decades.'
Phoenix has strongly objected to the development project for a while, but in December the city's director of aviation services Chad Makovsky had seemingly green-lit the proposal after a provision was added that would require the Coyotes to defend the airport in court against any excessive plane noise lawsuits from new residents.
However, he has now reversed his position, stating that a 'reasonable resolution' was close to have been agreed before relations went south. Without providing an explanation for why negotiations broke down, he issued a statement that said: "After more than a year of meetings and negotiations, we are disappointed that these efforts did not resolve the dispute." While not mentioning the Coyotes, the official added that his department 'does not object' to the proposed arena or entertainment district, with the focus placed solely on Tempe.
It is not the first time Phoenix has opposed a sports development based in Tempe. In 2001, the state capital threatened legal action to halt Tempe's bid to build a US$335 million stadium for the National Football League's (NFL) Arizona Cardinals, which would have been located near the airport's north runway. Tempe eventually gave up its efforts after it became clear constructing the venue would lead to lawsuits.
While the city has not yet commented on the lawsuit, Tempe Wins, the development company behind the project, launched a stinging attack on Phoenix and its lawsuit.
'The complaint filed by the Phoenix Aviation Department represents new heights of hypocrisy,' their statement said. 'While it is okay for Phoenix to build a baseball stadium, a basketball arena and a soccer stadium in the flight path of Sky Harbor Airport, somehow, it's wrong when Tempe attempts to convert an old polluting landfill into a new sports and entertainment district.
'The ultimate question for Tempe voters is this: Do you stand with Phoenix hypocrisy or an incredible environmental and economic opportunity for Tempe?'
Martin J. Walsh was officially introduced as the new executive director of the NHL Players' Association at a press conference in Toronto on Thursday.
Walsh, a Boston native, was named NHLPA executive director Feb. 16, replacing Donald Fehr after the NHLPA board voted in April to find a new leader. Fehr spent more than 13 years as the executive director after being hired Dec. 18, 2010.
The 55-year-old Walsh comes to the NHLPA after serving in U.S. President Joe Biden's administration as the Secretary of Labor since March of 2021.
Previously, Walsh was mayor of Boston from 2014-21 after spending 16 years in the Massachusetts House of Representatives. He also spent years as a labor leader in Boston.
"During my early interviews with the NHLPA it was clear to me that this opportunity was one that I wanted to pursue," Walsh said. "Becoming the executive director allows me to join two passions I have: One is hockey and the other one is fighting for working people. Growing up in the city of Boston, you know it's a hockey town and as a kid in my house the Bruins were always on. I continue to love the game and to have the opportunity now to represent the NHLPA is just an amazing opportunity."
Walsh said he is looking forward to working with the NHL players and their families to learn about what is important to them. He said his No. 1 priority in his new role is to get to talk to them and get to know them.
"I made it very clear to the players in all my previous roles in union politics and even politics, you have to know your constituency," Walsh said. "It's important for me to talk to the players, to talk about what their issues are, what their concerns are and what they're thinking moving forward. I represent the players of the NHL and really understanding what's important for them moving forward."
Walsh said he is looking forward to building a relationship with NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman and the League's 32 owners.
He said he met with Bettman in New York after accepting the job, but it was brief. He had some encounters with Bettman during his time as Boston's mayor.
"We're in a very early stage of the relationship, but my approach is collaborative," Walsh said. "As long as you mutually respect each other there will be a great opportunity here moving forward on behalf of the players and on behalf of the League."
Walsh talked about capitalizing on opportunities to continue to make the players available and accessible on the world stage, including bringing back the World Cup of Hockey, having NHL players return to play in the Olympics and continuing to hold the NHL Global Series.
The NHL and NHLPA have not held a World Cup of Hockey since 2016, though there are plans for its renewal, perhaps as soon as the 2024-25 season. The NHL has not attended the Olympics since 2014 but has committed to sending players to the 2026 Milano Cortina Winter Games in Italy provided the IOC, IIHF and local organizing committee fulfill certain long-standing obligations.
The Global Series returned this season after it wasn't played in 2019-20 and 2020-21 because of COVID-19 concerns.
"We've had a couple conversations over the last couple of weeks about the World Cup of Hockey and we've talked a little bit about the Olympics as well coming up in 2026," Walsh said. "At first what I would like to do is, let's establish the World Cup of Hockey back and let's have a forward-looking schedule to see so people can be consistent with it. Fans love it. Players love it. It's important for us to do it."
Walsh said it's premature to talk about hot-button topics that could come up in the next round of collective bargaining, particularly because he's new on the job and the current NHL/NHLPA Collective Bargaining Agreement is not scheduled to expire until Sept. 15, 2026.
"There's a lot we can do between now and the CBA," Walsh said. "Talking to the players and asking them what they want out of us, I think that's key. I can't speak to how the past was here, but this is the players' union. I made it very clear to them, I represent the players in the union and their family, we represent the players and their families, and we're going to continue to do everything we can to build strong relationships and let them know the PA is here on their behalf."
Until this year, NHL Pride night celebrations came and went without much discussion.
Teams showed their support for the LGBTQ+ community, wearing rainbow jerseys to later be auctioned with funds benefiting community organizations, and players adorned their sticks with rainbow tape. This year, however, there was a significant shift beginning with Philadelphia Flyers' defender Ivan Provorovrefusing to take to the ice wearing a Pride warmup jersey.
If it's not a Russian issue, and it's not a Biblically mandated commandment not to wear a shirt supporting the LGBTQ+ community, then what is the reason for this issue? And how does all of this impact the NHL's marketing campaign of "Hockey is for Everyone." Several players have openly spoken in support of the LGBTQ+ community and Pride, while other teams have opted out completely.
Let's take a deeper look at Pride in the NHL, what it means, what's to blame for the controversy, and who is saying what.
Confirmed players who chose not to participate in Pride night
Ivan Provorov, Philadelphia Flyers: Provorov was the first, stating he would not wear the jersey in order to "stay true to myself and my religion," which he defined as Russian Orthodox. With Provorov in the dressing room, his teammates took to the ice for warmups in their Pride jerseys, but his absence sparked a debacle for the league that would not soon end.
James Reimer, San Jose Sharks:Next came Reimer, who stated that he was "choosing not to endorse something that is counter to my personal convictions which are based on the Bible, the highest authority in my life." Reimer's actions overshadowed the Sharks' Pride night plans, which were some of the most robust and comprehensive in the league.
Reimer's decision took individual players abstaining from Pride activities from an isolated incident with Provorov, to a growing pattern. The implications and intent, according to Dave Zirin, sports editor for The Nation and host of Edge of Sport, were clear.
"They want to abolish the very idea of LGBTQ equality, no matter how many families are violently disrupted in the process," Zirin wrote of NHL players taking anti-LGBTQ+ action. "It's impossible to divorce Reimer's actions from this broader political context."
Eric and Marc Staal, Florida Panthers: Like Reimer, the Staals cited their Christian beliefs as their reason for refusing to don a Pride jersey ahead of last week's game against the Toronto Maple Leafs. Eric Staal had previously worn a Pride-themed jersey while with the Montreal Canadiens during the 2020-21 season.
Ilya Lyubushkin, Buffalo Sabres: Most recently, Sabres defender Ilya Lyubushkin opted out of wearing a Pride-themed jersey for the Sabres' festivities, despite the fact several prominent Russian players have worn Pride jerseys already this season.
Which teams didn't wear Pride jerseys or use rainbow tape?
The Chicago Blackhawksmade headlines last week when they openly stated they won't wear Pride jerseys, according to the Chicago Sun Times, "because of safety concerns for Russian players."
The Wild and Lightning still saw players utilize rainbow tape during warmups. As the Wild stated of their organizational decision, "It is important to host nights like this to show all players, fans, and the LGBTQIA+ community that hockey is for everyone. We will continue to utilize our platform to strengthen our community and create a greater state of hockey."
Which teams did wear Pride jerseys and/or use rainbow tape?
While the teams and players opting out of Pride celebrations are the ones stealing headlines, a larger number of teams did wear Pride jerseys, or at the very least, utilize rainbow tape in warmups.
The Seattle Kraken and Anaheim Ducks had two of the most touted Pride celebrations, not only for their jersey designs and participation, but for the off-ice education, events, and community engagement. The same could be said for the Sharks, despite Reimer choosing to overshadow the celebration.
With the amount of controversy players and teams choosing to stand against Pride celebrations has created in the NHL this season, media, fans and league officials will be watching the remaining seven teams who have Pride celebrations scheduled.
The Calgary Flames are next on the schedule (March 28), and as forward Dillon Dube says, he anticipates the Flames will participate in the evening without event.
"We're here to support it, for sure," Dube said. "I think our organization, (from) staff members to players in the league to kids through minor hockey, we're here to support everyone.
"There hasn't been much talk (in the dressing room), I think everyone's on the same page here. Me, personally, I support it and I want all our fans and everyone here to feel comfortable and welcome here and us, as players, want to be a part of that."
What does Russia have to do with Pride in the NHL?
Despite the Blackhawks reportedly stating they abandoned Pride due to safety concerns for Russian players, the answer to this question, as supported by evidence to date, is there is no connection between Russia's law and the NHL. If players were on Russian soil, perhaps they could be charged with breaking the nation's "gay propaganda law," punishable with a fine of up to $6,500 USD. In North America, however, where the law does not apply, there is no evidence to suggest Russian players, or their families, would be at risk due to participation in a Pride event.
"[W]e have no information that would suggest there is any material threat that would exist (in Russia or otherwise) related to a Russian player participating in a club's Pride activities," the NHL's deputy commissioner Bill Daly wrote to The Athletic.
In Florida, on the same night Eric Staal and Marc Staal refused to wear Pride jerseys, netminder Sergei Bobrovsky, who has won four medals for Russia while representing his country at the Olympics, world championships, world juniors and World Cup, wore Florida's Pride jersey without backlash, charges, or reprimand from any source.
Russian NHL goaltender Sergei Bobrovsky warms up while wearing a Panthers Pride Night jersey.
Do religions say not to participate?
To say a specific religion states not to participate in a Pride night would be false. Within Christianity, there are many denominations, each featuring their own interpretation of the Bible, and having their own stance related to the LGBTQ+ community. For instance, the United Church of Canada, which is building a network of affirming ministries, says that these churches "publicly declare their commitment to inclusion and justice for people of all sexual orientations and gender identities."
As a Gallup poll result stated, "U.S. Protestants' views on moral issues such as abortion, gay and lesbian relations, and premarital sex differ sharply, depending on their denominational affiliation." These differences were based largely on "the ways in which they interpret and teach the Bible."
As priest Michael Coren wrote on the topic of NHL players choosing to evade participation in Pride in the name of religion, "it's less about sport or James Reimer than it is about Christian inconsistency and homophobia."
While multiple NHL players choosing not to participate in Pride this season referenced their religion, the choice of interpretation, and of which Biblical laws they follow, was still a choice. As Coren says, these same players break Biblical laws by playing on Sunday, wearing clothing of mixed fabrics, shaving their beards, and not keeping kosher.
As other writers and scholars state, the chosen interpretation of Biblical verses cited to subjugate the LGBTQ+ community are misunderstood. While the hockey world faces an onslaught of abuse issues, there are even scholars who assert these are actually verses denouncing gang sexual violence.
As Newsweek's Kurt Eichenwald put it, "This is no longer a matter of personal or private faith. With politicians, social leaders and even some clergy invoking a book they seem to have never read and whose phrases they don't understand, America is being besieged by Biblical illiteracy."
It's a two-sided debate over the actual meaning of the Bible, and the six verses often referenced to denounce the LGBTQ+ community, that is ongoing in hockey and society.
Who is speaking in support of Pride?
While some players have chosen to use their platform to denounce Pride, others, including Connor McDavid, Matthew Tkachuk and Zach Hyman vocally supported Pride initiatives.
"I know here in Edmonton we strongly believe hockey is for everyone and strongly support Pride Night," McDavid said. "We're looking forward to it. I think we were the first team to use the Pride tape in warmups so we're firm believers in the celebration that is Pride Night."
Fellow Oilers forward Zach Hyman, who is Jewish, also spoke in support of Pride, helping to debunk purported ties to religion and the anti-LGBTQ+ movement.
"These people have their own personal beliefs, I just don't agree with them," Hyman said.
"If I was in that position, I'd wear [a Pride jersey]. It doesn't go against any of my beliefs; on the contrary, I think it's extremely important to be open and welcoming to that greater community just because they're a minority and they've faced a lot of persecution over the years. To show that we care and that we're willing and ready to include them in our game, in our sport, is extremely important to me."
Tkachuk, who plays on the same team as Marc and Eric Staal in Florida, addressed reporters saying, "A night like tonight, for me, is really about including everybody. In my opinion, it's by far the greatest game in the world, and everyone's invited in my locker room and our locker room as an organization."
Perhaps the most ardent supporter of Pride in the NHL has been Pittsburgh Penguins president of hockey operations, Brian Burke.
"We've had a couple of minor setbacks from a tiny number of players, but we've made steady and spectacular progress in this space."
Burke also took time to vocalize his stance that religion should not be a factor in refusing to support Pride.
"With the religious reasons, it just doesn't compute for me," Burke said. "I was born and raised a Catholic. I don't see any conflict between my religious beliefs and the ability to say to the LGBTQ+ community you're welcome here."
Recently, a new organization featuring many prominent NHL players and hockey media members as ambassadors, the Alphabet Sports Collective, also launched showing further Pride support from the hockey world. Players announced as initial ambassadors include Sam Reinhart, Morgan Rielly, James van Riemsdyk, Scott Laughton, Kaiden Guhle and Tyson Barrie, and the launch party in Toronto was also attended by Ryan O'Reilly and Alex Kerfoot.
Why is Pride night important?
When news started pouring in about teams and players refusing to support Pride, Luke Prokop himself took to social media to explain the impact and importance of Pride celebrations in hockey.
"Pride nights and pride jerseys play an important role in promoting and respecting inclusion for the LGBTQIA+ community and it's disheartening to see some teams no longer wearing them or embracing their significance, while the focus of others has become about the players who aren't participating rather than the meaning of the night itself," Prokop wrote on social media.
In 2021, the NHL and NHLPA actually titled their Pride month initiative, "Why Pride Matters." As NHL commissioner Gary Bettman stated in a video promotion for the initiative, "Pride matters because Pride lets you define who you are and how you value your own self worth."
As the BBC wrote in an explanation of what Pride stands for, "Pride is a celebration of people coming together in love and friendship, to show how far LGBTQ+ rights have come, and how in some places there's still work to be done."
"[Pride] is about acceptance, equality, celebrating the work of LGBTQ+ people, education in LGBTQ+ history and raising awareness of issues affecting the LGBTQ+ community. It also calls for people to remember how damaging homophobia was and still can be."
While teams and players grapple with how to support Pride, and some choose to denounce this celebration of "people coming together in love and friendship" that helps to "raise awareness of issues" and remembers "how damaging homophobia" can be, the NHL itself is facing a crisis as the image of the league continues to make news questioning hockey's commitment to inclusion and diversity, and if hockey really is, as the league's marketing campaign states, for everyone.
VANCOUVER — NHL players refusing to participate in Pride nights around the league shows hockey still isn't safe for a number of LGBTQ people, says one of the first male professional players to publicly come out as gay.
Brock McGillis is working to change the sport he loves through a new non-profit, Alphabet Sports Collective, which looks to make hockey safer for people of all sexualities and gender identities.
"I think (the Pride night controversy) is just a testament that we have to build up community and work with our members to feel good," said McGillis, who played in the Ontario Hockey League, the United Hockey League and in the Netherlands.
"The more people are exposed to those that are different than themselves, the more likely they are to not judge, not be anti-LGBTQ+. We lack exposure in this world, we lack identities in this world. So by getting young adults and adults out there, the exposure itself will hopefully help people critically think about what they're doing and the impact it has on people they know."
NHL teams have long held annual Pride nights to celebrate LGBTQ people and promote inclusivity, but controversy has bubbled this season as an increasing number of players have refused to take part.
In mid-January, Philadelphia Flyers defenceman Ivan Provorov sat out warm-ups — and declined to wear a Pride jersey — citing his Russian Orthodox religion.
Others around the league have followed suit.
San Jose Sharks goalie James Reimer, and Eric and Marc Staal, who both play for the Florida Panthers, said earlier this month they wouldn't wear their team's rainbow-themed uniforms in warm-ups due to their religious beliefs. Buffalo Sabres defenceman Ilya Lyubushkin said Monday he was opting out due to concerns of retribution in his home country of Russia.
The New York Rangers, Minnesota Wild and Chicago Blackhawks all decided not to don Pride warm-up jerseys for their celebratory games.
Closeted hockey players are hurt by these decisions, McGillis said.
"That player believes that those teammates hate him," he said. "I'm telling you that because I was that player. That player is further in the closet today."
Other NHL teams have continued with big Pride celebrations, with high-profile players speaking out in support.
"To me, it's an obvious no brainer. If I were in that position, I would wear one," said Oilers forward Zach Hyman. "It doesn't go against any of my beliefs. On the contrary, I think it's extremely important to be open and welcoming to that greater community, just because they're a minority and they've faced a lot of persecution over the years.
"To show that we care and that we're ready and willing to include them in our game and in our sport is incredibly important to me."
Edmonton has not worn themed jerseys for its Pride games, but players used rainbow stick tape during warm-ups ahead of its annual celebration Saturday.
"I know here in Edmonton, we strongly believe hockey is for everyone and strongly support Pride night," said captain Connor McDavid.
The Calgary Flames are set to wear Pride jerseys designed by a local LGBTQ artist when they host the Los Angeles Kings on Tuesday. Coach Darryl Sutter said the uniforms haven't been an issue for the team.
"I think all it signifies is everything is accepted," said the veteran bench boss.
The Canucks are set to celebrate the LGBTQ+ community on Friday when they host the Flames.
Vancouver has worn Pride warm-up jerseys in previous years, but the team has yet to reveal whether the tradition will continue, saying in a statement Tuesday that details on different elements of the night will be released "closer to the date."
"We have had a long and proud history of hosting Pride events and we look forward to another incredible evening on March 31 to raise awareness and support the 2SLGBTQIA+ community," the statement said.
McGillis didn't think support from high-profile people in the hockey community would matter to him as he and his co-founders worked to get Alphabet Sports Collective off the ground earlier this month.
But looking around the launch party in Toronto, he was struck by how many athletes, media personalities and others from around the game were in the room.
"Hockey made me want to die. I self harmed. I drank heavily. I struggled. My career derailed from it. It didn't feel like a good space to me," McGillis said. "And then all of a sudden, I'm seeing all these people who represent essentially that world, here saying, 'No, we want this to be good for people like you and all people.'"
Working within the existing hockey community to create change is key, said co-founder Gabriela Ugarte.
Alphabet Sports Collective is working to connect ambassadors to promote messages of inclusion, and critically analyze their own language and behaviours, she said.
The support the group has received so far has been huge, Ugarte added.
"I think it shows that there are people who are across the industry, that there's more of us who want to become an inclusive and equitable space, and that there are people who are willing to do the work," she said. "And we are very appreciative of that."
The new non-profit is currently working on connecting people who want to get involved in hockey at a variety of levels with mentors who can help them succeed. That means pairing aspiring coaches with veterans already working behind the bench, and people who want to sit on boards with those who have experience, McGillis said.
"Let's give them tools where they feel good to be a part of the hockey ecosystem in any capacity they want. Whether it's through coaching, sitting on boards, managing teams, playing — whatever it is, let's start giving them tools to take part," he said.
TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) Ryan Nugent-Hopkins scored the tiebreaking goal with 7:55 remaining and the Edmonton Oilers beat the Arizona Coyotes 5-4 on Monday night.
Zack Hyman, Bouchard, Darnell Nurse and Leon Draisaitl also scored for the Oilers, who extended their points streak to seven (6-0-1). Jack Campbell stopped 29 shots.
Connor McDavid picked up an assist for his 140th point of the season, becoming the first player to reach the mark since Pittsburgh's Mario Lemieux and Jaromir Jagr both achieved it in 1995-96. The last Oilers player to do it was Wayne Gretzky in 1987-88.
Matias Maccelli and Barrett Hayton scored two goals each for the Coyotes, who lost their fifth straight overall and snapped their eight-game home points streak.Lawson Crouse had three assists and Karel Vejmelka finished with 24 saves.
Nugent-Hopkins' goal was his 34th of the season and came with Arizona's Clayton Keller in the penalty box for hooking. It was the Oilers' second power-play goal of the game.
Edmonton entered Monday as the highest scoring team in the league with 286 goals. They showed why in the first period with three goals - one on a power play, one short-handed and one at even strength.
Arizona scored first, though, as Maccelli scored his ninth goal from the slot off Campbell's glove 3:50 into the game.
That didn't last long as the Coyotes' Nathan Smith was penalized for holding at 4:34. Just 6 seconds later, Hyman tied it up on a rebound for his 32nd. McDavid had his 80th assist of the season on the play.
Hayton put the Coyotes in front again with a power-play goal with 7:01 left in the period, exactly one minute after Edmonton's Vincent Desharnais went to the penalty box for holding. But that advantage also went away quickly when Bouchard scored his fifth of the season, on a second-chance goal with 6:26 remaining after Nick Bjugstad drove to the net.
Despite McDavid being in the penalty box for hooking, the Oilers took their first lead on Nurse's ninth goal at 18:11 when he and Kailer Yamamoto broke in on Vejmelka 2-on-1.
After five goals and six penalties in the first period, the second period just had one goal, when Draisaitl scored his 46th, beating Vejmelka from the faceoff circle to the goalie's left with 5:28 remaining to push the Oilers' lead to 4-2.
Maccelli's goal 3:52 into the third period cut it to 4-3, and Hayton tied it up less than a minute later.
ICE CHIPS
Oilers: LW Ryan McLeod (undisclosed) was a scratch.
Coyotes: D Josh Brown (upper body) returned after missing six games. Former Oiler RW Zack Kassian (upper body) was a scratch.
------ Original Message ------ From: "'tolice1234@aol.com' via cactuswings" <cactus-wings@googlegroups.com> To: cactus-wings@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, 27 Mar, 2023 At 15:50 Subject: Re: [cactuswings 4544] REQ - Help with ID of Remaining Delta B747-400's at MZJ (Marana Pinal)
On Sunday, March 26, 2023, 8:09 PM, 'Michael' via cactuswings <cactus-wings@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Chris,
Thanks for your help/input,but this is were many photographers appear to have "assumed" identification and gas been a bit of a challenge at many places for me for years Rosewell,Victorville and Moscow etc
Yes took iphone photos for blemish and cut out marks.
I had looked at Javier's excellent photos from last year but he appears to have assumed the photo id to be N662US
My CASE from firm registrations before blanking, so not the positions at this time
Here is N662US in a photo in flickr by Stella Semeraro (Taken dated as 17th July 2020)
shorturl.at/buO57 (Hopefully this URL shortner works if not ,I will resend)
In this photo (Tail Left side)
1. By 2020 N662US already has a panel chunk removed from the base front of the tail (this is present on the assumed airframe 2022)
2. In 2020 N662US has 3 equipment boxes removed from the left side of the tail by the rudder 2 together, 1further up (in Javiers assumed N662US photo from Nov 2022 ,the tail has ony 2 equipment boxes missing the top one and one of the other ones below)
My id photo does of course match Javier's photo including the large cut in the front (which is common on a couple of airframes) and the silver window blanking.
The 2 fully painted a/c were N675NW and N676NW Neither in the top area leving the rest as "whitewashed"tails.
So the challenge continues
Thanks
Michael
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 12:55:56 PM UTC+1 Chris Watson wrote:
Hi Michael,
I take it that you saw 9 Delta aircraft, did you take photos or are you checking note pages, as N662US does have a complete Delta Tail.
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On Sunday, March 26, 2023, 8:09 PM, 'Michael' via cactuswings <cactus-wings@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Chris,
Thanks for your help/input,but this is were many photographers appear to have "assumed" identification and gas been a bit of a challenge at many places for me for years Rosewell,Victorville and Moscow etc
Yes took iphone photos for blemish and cut out marks.
I had looked at Javier's excellent photos from last year but he appears to have assumed the photo id to be N662US
My CASE from firm registrations before blanking, so not the positions at this time
Here is N662US in a photo in flickr by Stella Semeraro (Taken dated as 17th July 2020)
shorturl.at/buO57 (Hopefully this URL shortner works if not ,I will resend)
In this photo (Tail Left side)
1. By 2020 N662US already has a panel chunk removed from the base front of the tail (this is present on the assumed airframe 2022)
2. In 2020 N662US has 3 equipment boxes removed from the left side of the tail by the rudder 2 together, 1further up (in Javiers assumed N662US photo from Nov 2022 ,the tail has ony 2 equipment boxes missing the top one and one of the other ones below)
My id photo does of course match Javier's photo including the large cut in the front (which is common on a couple of airframes) and the silver window blanking.
The 2 fully painted a/c were N675NW and N676NW Neither in the top area leving the rest as "whitewashed"tails.
So the challenge continues
Thanks
Michael
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 12:55:56 PM UTC+1 Chris Watson wrote:
Hi Michael,
I take it that you saw 9 Delta aircraft, did you take photos or are you checking note pages, as N662US does have a complete Delta Tail.
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